Interview by Joe Montague
Avant-garde 
jazz pianist Dave Franks’ humor can sometimes be as surreal as the paintings of 
Salvador Dali, whose paintings served as the inspiration behind the song 
“Salvador Dali In A State of Grace.” 
Frank will joke about where Dali might be now 
or about playing a private concert for Picasso. He talks about his own music 
using descriptive metaphors.
“Salvador Dali was one of the proponents of the surreal 
avant-garde painting movement, taking traditional images and reinventing them. 
It wasn’t only in his art it was in his persona. He was such a flashy and whacky 
guy, that I have found it interesting to imagine where he went to after he died, 
because (laughing he says) where he was when he was here was pretty far out. I 
wondered where Dali went after he died, because he must have gone to some 
extremely far out place or maybe he created a new one,” says Frank
Referring to Dali as a whacky 
guy Frank says, “He was an avant-garde (painter). In the 20th 
century, you can see movement toward the avant-garde in all art forms. We can 
see it in guys like Salvador Dali and Jackson Pollack. In music, we can see it 
(in the compositions) of Cecil Taylor and Ornette Coleman. You see very modern 
dance compared to ballet. In the 20th 
century, art forms tended to go from works with more classical emphasis to forms 
that were more avant-garde. “Salvador Dali In A State of Grace” is very atonal, 
and it is supposed to give you a surreal feel. That is done by scrapping harmony 
altogether. (It is) creating tones that don’t suggest traditional harmony.”
 
“That piece (“Salvador Dali In A State Of Grace”) starts 
with a very short composed theme, and then leaves traditional harmony 
completely. I had fun with that piece (because I did) not use piano voicings. 
When you are studying jazz on the piano, so much of the emphasis is placed on 
learning specific voicings. There are so many, and you need to know how to use 
them. In this piece, I tried not to use any voicings that have been played. I 
wasn’t thinking this was a C chord or G chord, I just put the chords together 
one note at a time, until I got music that sounded like a place that Dali might 
be at today,” says Frank.
Frank 
is arguably, one of the planet’s better composers for piano music, and a 
superbly talented soloist. The creativity and imagination behind his 
compositions for his current album 
Ballads & 
Burners only adds substance to the 
accolades he has received over the years from fans, critics and fellow musicians 
such as Dave Douglas. 
Pat Martino commented, “I was deeply moved by the Power 
of the piano, Dave Frank is a monster,” and Charlie Banacos observed, “Dave is 
going to make everyone practice! He plays circles around most of the guys out 
there.”
Six years passed between the 
original conception for 
Ballads And Burners 
in the year 2000 and its release in 2006. “A lot of 
the time lag had to do with the nature of the record business at that time. That 
period was the most intense change in the music business and there was no clear 
sense for how music was going to be distributed, whether it was going to be 
through the internet or hardcopy. It was a real time of flux in the music 
business and I just wanted to wait for the right time and place, because I put a 
good part of my life into that record,” says Frank.
As the album’s title suggests the songs are comprised 
primarily from two groups, those that are considered ballads and others that are 
referred to as burners. Frank describes each type, “The ballad sets a calm mood 
and explores a lot of harmonies. It is very evocative, sensitive and 
harmonically rich. One of the most important things about ballads is the concept 
of using space. Many times with ballads, the notes are less important than the 
space that surrounds them. The music is just a way to amplify the silence that 
comes after it. If you hear silence with nothing, you won’t notice it, but if 
you hear slow music and then hear silence between the chords then you will 
notice that silence much differently. That is the beautiful part of ballad 
playing. Burners refer to the fastest possible tempo that you can play. When I 
play rhythms, I usually play left hand walking bass.”
The second track “Rousseau’s World” is one of the 
ballads that Frank included on this highly imaginative CD. The charts were 
inspired by Henri Rousseau’s oil painting The Sleeping Gypsy (circa 1897). The 
painting depicts just as it suggests a gypsy sleeping on the ground with a lion 
hover over him. 
Frank comments on what captured his imagination about 
the painting, “I think that it is the contrast between the sleeping Gypsy and 
the lion. The lion had kind of a hungry look on his face. The lion is looking at 
him and going hmmm. You don’t know if he is looking at him to protect him or as 
his (next) dinner. The background of the painting is very moody and sparse, so 
that provided a very nice contrast between the (subjects in the) foreground and 
a spacey background.” 
The composer/pianist describes the transformation 
process for interpreting the painting through his music, “The first thing that 
you want to consider when you try to adapt one art form to another is the mood 
that you are trying to recreate through a different medium. The gypsy was in 
repose and there was a very calm mood to the painting. There was moonlight and 
an evocative, calm and sensual quality to the painting. The harmonic sequence is 
a kind of harmonic movement called cyclic movement. What that means in musical 
terms is instead of the chords moving in fourths, which is a common jazz 
movement; the chord movement went in thirds and seconds. I am referring to the 
root note or bottom note. Instead of going D to G to C, to develop a more 
abstract sense in the music the chords will go from D to F to A flat or from D 
to F and down a second to E flat, then up a third to G flat. The different 
harmonic mode is what we call rooted left. You aren’t going to that root place 
that you would expect so quickly and that makes the music float more. It gives 
it more of a modern abstract sense. It is really the harmonic movement of the 
chords in that particular piece that was my way of trying to recreate the mood 
of the piece.”
Other songs on Ballads And 
Burners that were inspired by paintings include, “Shades of Renoir,” a copy of 
which hung in Frank’s childhood home, “Portrait Of Manet” viewed in a 
“The Mechanization Of America” is a song that cannot 
adequately be described but was the piece that most caught my listening ear the 
first time I heard the CD. Frank used a left hand boogie pattern with a twist to 
create a rhythm suggestive of big machines hammering away at buildings and 
construction projects. Frank’s right hand plays a motif that draws images of 
hammers against steel beams. 
Today Frank operates the Dave 
Frank School Of Jazz in 
“The 
thing that is just so fascinating to me, and I have been doing nothing but 
playing the piano since I was four years old, is how absorbing this subject of 
jazz piano can be over the period of a lifetime. It is so absorbing on every 
level of the psyche. Your brain is working, your body is working, your fingers 
are working and your deepest emotions are implied. To be able to have all of 
these things working together at the same time and develop music is such an 
extraordinary accomplishment. When you think of the great players who have given 
us so much great music over the past one hundred years, and the accomplishment 
of these people, it is just amazing,” says Frank.